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  Pre 2000 magazines now on JW Org- have there been alterations to the originals?

  by joey jojo in

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  just wanted to ask if anyone has found any glaring changes to the pre- 2000 wt or awake articles that have been put online compared to the original issues?.

  cheers.

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  joey jojo

  Thanks for the replies. :)

  I did a little bit of digging myself although I don't own any original bound volumes anymore.

  I started with this website and looked for anything relating to 'generation' that has been posted and commented on using pre 2000 WT as a reference.

  It looked to me like the originals had not been altered (yet) regarding this particular topic. But it was a small sample size as I only referenced a handful of articles on the topic.

  Like the Reasoning book, which is still available on JW org, the pre 2000 WT's that I researched, notably, the 1984 WT - the generation that will not pass away', still maintain that 'the generation' are the group of people alive in 1914 that will not pass away before Armageddon.

  So, officially, as of this date, the org is promoting 2 different doctrines on the same subject. I don't really think any reasonable person would call that being 'faithful', or 'discreet'.
  
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  Pre 2000 magazines now on JW Org- have there been alterations to the originals?

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just wanted to ask if anyone has found any glaring changes to the pre- 2000 wt or awake articles that have been put online compared to the original issues?.

  cheers.

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  joey jojo

  Just wanted to ask if anyone has found any glaring changes to the pre- 2000 WT or awake articles that have been put online compared to the original issues?

  Cheers
  
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  Wealth, Poverty, and Morality

  by SecondRateMind in

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  i am interested in the approach this forum takes to money.

  apart from sex, (which i am quite relaxed about) it seems to me that wealth is the surest divider between those who are moral, and those who are not.. it seems jesus thought so, also.

  luke 16:19-31 kjv describes well enough his dusty attitude to the rich who do not succour the poor.. and this world has many poor: so many, it might seem that we can do nothing about it, and twist his words; 'the poor ye shall have always with you, but me, ye shall not have always.

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  joey jojo

  I'm at work so I haven't been able to read every reply. I'm sure that what I believe has probably already been said but here goes anyway.

  Wealth is relative.

  What is ' too much wealth'?

  I agree with many that have said that giving money to ' poor ' people will solve nothing because if it did work there should be no poverty in any first world country with a social security network.

  Wealth is a mindset.

  The reason many are poorer than they should be is because they buy themselves luxuries first and try to save or invest second. Many spend way too much on takeaway meals, smoking, drinking,drugs, gambling, clothes - you name it. Try telling a rich guy that became rich by working 100 hours a week for 20 yrs and didn't waste his money on instant gratification that he should give most of his wealth away to a family that eats at mcdonalds most nights because mum is too lazy to cook.

  Your post is a good one that proposes a problem that seems to have a very simple solution, but in reality, is a complex issue.

  I should add that most first world countries already donate hundreds of millions of dollars to less fortunate countries every year.

  I could go on but I have to keep working now :).
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  JW's are slaves- but not in a good way

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was reading about the american slave trade again recently.

  as anyone who has read anything about the subject knows, it makes for very uncomfortable reading.

  every time i read the history, i'm left with a sense of outrage and seething anger at the pure inhumanity and injustice of what life must have been like for those people.

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  joey jojo

  stuckinarut2 a day ago

  What makes it even worse, is that JWs have been conditioned to actually think it is a GOOD thing to be a "slave" to the "truth"!

  Exactly the point I was trying to make.

  4. 'Teach servants to take interest in their master's enterprise.'

  I find this comment pretty disturbing. It has connotations of a lowly slave, whose only pleasure in life is making his master happy. It is a fitting comparison to the way the average Dub is treated. Jw's are pretty much conditioned to accept that making their 'masters' happy (witnessing, meetings) is the ONLY way they can achieve true happiness.
  
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  JW's are slaves- but not in a good way

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was reading about the american slave trade again recently.

  as anyone who has read anything about the subject knows, it makes for very uncomfortable reading.

  every time i read the history, i'm left with a sense of outrage and seething anger at the pure inhumanity and injustice of what life must have been like for those people.

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  joey jojo

  I was reading about the American slave trade again recently. As anyone who has read anything about the subject knows, it makes for very uncomfortable reading. Every time I read the history, I'm left with a sense of outrage and seething anger at the pure inhumanity and injustice of what life must have been like for those people.

  I came across an unsettling quote from a publication written in 1850 which described how slave owners can produce and maintain the 'ideal slave'.

  1. Maintain strict discipline and unconditional submission.
  2. Create a sense of personal inferiority, so that slaves "know their place."
  3. Instill fear.
  4. Teach servants to take interest in their master's enterprise.
  5. Deprive access to education and recreation, to ensure that slaves remain uneducated, helpless, and dependent.

  Sound familiar?
  
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  What Is The Most Ridiculous Thing You Have Heard From A Witness?

  by minimus in

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  i remember an elder questioning a woman who had admitted to giving and receiving oral sex from her unbelieving mate.

  he asked her the most intimate questions which clearly flustered her.

  interestingly, she “confessed “ to the elders because her conscience bothered her.

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  joey jojo

  A ministerial servant giving his first talk told us from the platform that children need to be supervised at all times.

  He then went on to tell us a story he had heard about a couple of 2 yr olds that were left in a car, had sexual intercourse with each other while the adults went into a store.
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  Last days as defined by the 'still current' Reasoning book

  by joey jojo in

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  2. beliefs

  reasoning book pg.234 onwards ( from the jw org website):.

  last days.

  definition: the bible uses the expression “last days” to refer to the concluding time period leading up to a divinely appointed execution that marks the end of a system of things.

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  joey jojo

  @Sir82, to be honest, I have no idea if they consider the Reasoning book current.

  Its actually been a while since I visited the JW org website and what I find intriguing is the sheer amount of the WT library that have no active links, meaning of course, that unless you have a physical hard copy of the book, there is no way of reading the information. (Apart from sites like this).

  For an organisation that has printed books virtually non-stop since the late 1800's, you would think that the JW.org library would be far more extensive, but they are only prepared to make a fraction of these books available for research.
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  Last days as defined by the 'still current' Reasoning book

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  reasoning book pg.234 onwards ( from the jw org website):.

  last days.

  definition: the bible uses the expression “last days” to refer to the concluding time period leading up to a divinely appointed execution that marks the end of a system of things.

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  joey jojo

  Reasoning book pg.234 onwards ( from the JW org website):

  Last Days

  Definition: The Bible uses the expression “last days” to refer to the concluding time period leading up to a divinely appointed execution that marks the end of a system of things. The Jewish system with its worship built around the temple in Jerusalem experienced its last days from 33 to 70 C.E. What occurred then was pictorial of what would be experienced in a greatly intensified way and on a global scale at a time when all nations would be facing the execution of judgment decreed by God. The present wicked system of things, which extends worldwide, entered its last days in 1914, and some of the generation alive then will also be on hand to witness its complete end in the “great tribulation.”

  And then this...

  If Someone Says—

  ‘How do you know that some future generation won’t fit the prophecy even better than this one?’

  ‘Matching world events to this prophecy is like matching a fingerprint to its owner. There will not be someone else with the identical print. Likewise, the pattern of events that began in 1914 will not be repeated in some future generation.’

  Hmmmm....
  
  
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  Looking for older article in Wtbts regarding “tigers teeth and claws” being designed for coconut husk removal.

  by notjustyet in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope i’m not imagining this but jace not been able to find the source.

  even looked deeply into jwfacts site and still can’t find it.

  basically the way i remember it was there was a article trying to explain away the “teeth and claws” from a tiger that alluded to it being a meat eater from the beginning.

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  joey jojo

  If all animals were vegetarians prior to Adam and Eve sinning, that means God must have broken his own perfect rules and worked on his Sabbath to change the physiology of animals afterwards.
  

  Cut and pasted from Wikipedia....
  

  Obligate carnivores, or "true" carnivores, are those carnivores whose survival depends on nutrients which are found only in animal flesh. While obligate carnivores might be able to ingest small amounts of plant material, because of their evolution they lack the necessary physiology required to digest that plant matter. In fact, some obligate carnivorous mammals will only ever ingest vegetation for its specific use as an emetic to self-induce vomiting to rid itself of food that has upset its stomach.

  For instance, felids including the domestic cat are obligate carnivores requiring a diet of primarily animal flesh and organs.[5] Specifically, cats have high protein requirements and their metabolisms appear unable to synthesize certain essential nutrients (including retinol, arginine, taurine, and arachidonic acid), and thus, in nature, they can rely only on animal flesh as their diet to supply these nutrients.[6][7]- Wikipedia
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  Roll Call for the benefit of Newbies and Lurkers. In One Sentence tell why you left the Org.

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  roll call for the benefit of newbies and lurkers.

  in one sentence tell why you left the org.

  not 2 sentences.

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  joey jojo

  The entire history of the WTBTS has consisted of presenting speculation as God-directed truth, of which total belief and obedience is expected, only to change it when it is proven wrong- while still claiming to be directed by God.